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Sergeant Benton Caldari United Nations Intelligence Taskforce	Posted - 2007.12.27 21:51:00 - [1] I have a character who does level 4 missions in a nicely pimped out Nighthawk. It has a very good tank which handles almost every level 4 mission I've tried except EA5 of 5 which he had to warp out and back into a few times. With a rack of DG heavy launchers, maxed missile support skills, implants and 3 x faction BCUs it has an RoF of just under 4.4 seconds. I don't know what the DPS is but Navy Scourge missiles do just around 380/hit on hull. Which is nice. He's never flown a battleship and at the moment he's training Caldari BS5 and then will train Cruise up to 5 for t2 launchers along with any other appropriate skills he's missing for a BS (for example, he's never needed shield compensation and will take that to 5) He's wearing the following implants: ZMU2000 - 5% to cruise damage KVA2000 - 5% to shield capacity ZMA1000 - -5% explosion radius bonus ZMS1000 - -5% explosion velocity bonus ZMM1000 - -5% RoF bonus My question is simple. Because this is a pretty much maxed out Nighthawk being flown by a highly skilled pilot, is a CNR or Golem likely to outperform it?
Sergeant Benton Caldari United Nations Intelligence Taskforce	Posted - 2007.12.27 23:39:00 - [2] slash me waves at Helen. That doesn't answer the question though, how much better than a maxed Nighthawk is a CNR or a Golem going to be? It can complete GE in under an hour (to "objective completed").
Sergeant Benton Caldari United Nations Intelligence Taskforce	Posted - 2007.12.28 10:55:00 - [3] Originally by: Kookie Snr intrigued by your nighthawk setup, I use the bog standard Raven setup, would you share your setup and rough price of mods please as a little bored with the raven>) 6 x Dread Guristas Heavy missile launchers with Navy ammo 1 x Small tractor beam 2 x large shield extender t2 1 x Caldari Navy invul field 1 x Invul field t2 1 x Photon hardener t2(EM) 2 x Shield power relay t2 1 x Caldari Navy BCU 2 x Dread Guristas BCU 2 x Purger rigs 5 x small t2 drones in the hold but, they don't get used much. Implants as in the first post: ZMU2000 - 5% to cruise damage KVA2000 - 5% to shield capacity ZMA1000 - -5% explosion radius bonus ZMS1000 - -5% explosion velocity bonus ZMM1000 - -5% RoF bonus As for the cost - I really have no idea now. The DG launchers were bought before the LP store came into force as were the DG BCUs. He used to swap hardeners for specific missions but since the CN Invul was obtained, the above tank has been used for all missions and gives a good range of resists: 81/86/87/89 with just over 13,000 shields. He only has Command ships trained to 4 though, I just realised that adds Command ships 5 to queue but all the missile support skills are maxed. But I fancied a change, hence the reason for looking at either a CNR or Golem, but I don't want to put him in a ship that's not going to work as well, obviously.
Sergeant Benton Caldari United Nations Intelligence Taskforce	Posted - 2007.12.28 11:08:00 - [4] Some very interesting replies in here, thanks - It may be a case of deciding on which ship to use depending on which mission is offered...
Sergeant Benton Caldari United Nations Intelligence Taskforce	Posted - 2007.12.28 21:05:00 - [5] I'd imagine that's with Scourge, yes.
Sergeant Benton Caldari United Nations Intelligence Taskforce	Posted - 2007.12.29 12:49:00 - [6] I don't believe your claimed DPS figures. Your setup is effectively identical to mine regarding launchers and BCU and I know I don't get that much. Even taking into account the 5% from Command Ships 5 that I'm missing it doesn't bring it up to that level. I don't like the figures that EFT produces as they're theoretical and generally more than one gets actually in game but there's a big difference for what it says I get and what you're claiming.
Sergeant Benton Caldari United Nations Intelligence Taskforce	Posted - 2007.12.29 19:07:00 - [7] That'd make the difference - My man has a 5% shield capacity implant in the slot where the heavy missile damage implant could go. But this thread isn't supposed to be about Nighthawk settings but whether or not it's worth him switching from an NH to a CNR or a Golem!
Sergeant Benton Caldari United Nations Intelligence Taskforce	Posted - 2008.01.01 13:55:00 - [8] I've just been offered GE and am doing it now, stopwatch is running and I've got Seasick Steve playing in the background. 42 minutes and 50 seconds from first shot fired to "Objective completed" Completing it to the end will take a little longer due to the plethora of jammers which now appear. 59 minutes and 6 seconds to activating the gate into the bonus stage Seasick Steve has finished and Wish You Were Here by Pink Floyd is now playing. 1 hour 7 minutes and 14 seconds to me opening the can at the end of the bonus stage. The only sentry guns I shot were the Amarr ones in stage 4 and the couple which are very close to the warp in point in the bonus stage. The only structure shot was the final one in the bonus stage. It dropped rubbish, btw 3203 Caldari Navy Scourge missiles were launched for an average of 194dps over the entire mission. Largest hits were 379.2 and the lowest were 77.6 on small ships. Time: 01/01/2008 12:37:27 Location: Duration: 01:06:53 My Weapons Used Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Enemies Attacked Pithatis Enforcer Pith Usurper Arika Tosch Aimon Kuzni Pith Exterminator Dire Pithi Saboteur Pith Obliterator Pith Eliminator Tower Sentry Guristas III Amarr Heavy Missile Battery Pithatis Death Dealer Pithatis Assassin Pithior Anarchist Guristas Kyoukan Pithior Renegade Pithum Eraser Pith Extinguisher Guristas Webifier Pithi Wrecker Pithior Supremacist Pithatis Revolter Pith Eradicator Pithior Terrorist Guristas Emissary Pithatis Assaulter Pith Dismantler Pithum Silencer Damage Done: 780321.50 Damage Received: 58693.80 (figures from Eve Combat Log Analyzer) What I'm wanting from either the CNR or the Golem is to speed that up. I'm sure that can be done.
Sergeant Benton Caldari United Nations Intelligence Taskforce	Posted - 2008.01.01 15:42:00 - [9] Originally by: Paulo Damarr How does the Golem fair against Guristas with its low sensor strength? are NPC ECMs affected by it or does the mechanic work differently? I don't think it really makes any difference - I stand to be corrected but I think that NPC jamming is purely chance based. Regarding CLA, I run with the /end /LUA:OFF switches on my eve clients so all the log files are stored in the same place now and it picks them up from that location perfectly.
Sergeant Benton Caldari United Nations Intelligence Taskforce	Posted - 2008.01.01 22:21:00 - [10] Ooo, that's good - I'd like to see the results and timings for GE4

Sergeant Benton Caldari United Nations Intelligence Taskforce	Posted - 2008.01.02 19:15:00 - [11] The duration in CLA is from first to last impact so it's going to be about right. I make that nine minutes quicker than my Nighthawk run - Did you pop all guns, and does that include any structures? I make it around 215dps taking the damage done and the time into account. Very interesting to compare, thanks.
Sergeant Benton Caldari United Nations Intelligence Taskforce	Posted - 2008.01.03 00:47:00 - [12] Edited by: Sergeant Benton on 03/01/2008 00:47:16 Carniflex, can you post your complete setup (including any relevant hardwirings) for the CNR please, I think the CNR could be the way to go and we're talking along similar lines here. If you don't want to post the whole thing, I'm open to evemails ;) Thanks!
Sergeant Benton Caldari United Nations Intelligence Taskforce	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:47:00 - [13] He's going to go with the following on a CNR to give it a try. Most of the stuff I had anyway so it's just a case of fit and play. 5 x CN Cruise 2 x Arbies CN X-L Booster CN Boost Amp CN Invul 3 x mission specific T2 hardeners 2 x PDU T2 2 x CN BCU 1 x DG BCU 1 x CCC 2 x SMC Plus a bunch of drones. What's good for the spare high slot? Never having fitted a Raven before, I think this is a cookie cutter LP store type setup?
Sergeant Benton Caldari United Nations Intelligence Taskforce	Posted - 2008.01.21 06:24:00 - [14] Oh I quite agree but having been using a Drake/Nighthawk for the best part of a year, I feel it's time for a change and the CNR/Golem is the next logical step.
Sergeant Benton Caldari United Nations Intelligence Taskforce	Posted - 2008.01.21 08:15:00 - [15] Originally by: Carniflex General setup is usually 2 to 3x BCU and 2x to 3x PDU in lows and tank having XL booster 4x hardener and boost amp. Heh heh, that's what I specced up. He's all ready for his first mission tonight which coincidentally enough is going to be GE. I'll report back and tell how I got on later.

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